- Tokyonever a écrit:
- Oki, merci Arvu, je vois.
Je suis pas certain que ce qu'il dise soit totalement vrai dans le sens où le concept original qui tourne autour de He-Ro c'est l'histoire de "Gray" et rien d'autre (1987/la gamme POG tout simplement), NA He-Man arrivant l'année suivante ça me semble un peu confu si ce qu'il dit est la vérité.
Souviens toi que dans le bouquin Power & Honor il y'a des croquis et des idées de ce qu'aurait pu être "l'après Motu" (les concepts militaires, aventuriers, espaces etc) et à chaque fois sur ces croquis il est question de "He-Man" et non de quelconque autre personnage ou éventuel "Dare", tous ces concepts datant aussi de l'année NA He-Man.
Pour moi ça tient pas debout nonplus dans le sens où le scénario de NA He-Man est très clair dès le départ: He-Man va dans le futur.
Après possible aussi que Dare est été éventuellement mis sur le tapis lors d'un de ces nombreux concepts précurseurs à NA He-Man (why not après tout) mais He-Ro reste Gray à la base.
Quoi qu'il en soit ce NA He-Man classics est de toute beautée, ils ont grave assurés.
Certes mais il y a deux "He-Ro", deux concepts qui ont dévelopés en même temps je pense.....
He-Ro de POG, créé dans et pour la ligne de jouet ....
et He-Ro - Son of He-Man créé par Lou Scheimer.
C'est là toute la confusion, vu que des groupe de personnes différentes sont partis dans deux directions opposées. L'un dans le passé, l'un dans le futur.
Je pense que ToyGuru se réfère ici à He-Ro - Filmation. C'est ce que devait faire FILMATION avant que ce soit rebalancé chez Jetlag pour faire He-Man NA.
Je reprends une description détaillée en VO que j'avais trouvé sur le .org :
First Off -
STORYLINESkeletor has been banished to
The Frozen Lands by the heroic warrior He-Man, and the Sorceress.
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Meanwhile, In a far away forest, a
small 3-year old child is found in the wilderness, by powerful she-bearcat (half bear, half mountain lion). She takes him into her
cave and raises him in the wild. As he grows, the child quickly learns to
communicate with the animals and has enhanced powers of hearing and sight.
As the years pass, and his bearcat mother gets older, he finds himself looking after her, as she once looked after him. He teaches the human language to a wild crow called Craven, a language which the boy is still able to remember vaguely from his time before he came to the forest, as well as vague memories of his real parents, a
Beautiful Woman and a
Strong Man, before he was stolen away in the dead of night. He struggles to remember his
real name, but fails everytime.
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10 years after Skeletors defeat,
King Adam is now on the throne, with his
Queen Teela at his side. Randor and Marlena have retired to the Summer Palace enjoying this time of peace.
King Adam is contacted by The Sorceress. She tells him that "The time has come to share the power of the sword. Legends speak of
a boy without name who will inhert the power sword." King Adam knows nothing of this "boy", and is not very pleased with this turn of events. Even though he is now King, he still feels he is in the prime of his life, and is not yet ready to give up his He-Man alter ego just yet. But he realises he must listen to the sorceress and so sets off to find the
unamed boy in the dark valley, beyond the mountains of fire.
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Elsewhere, Skeletor has managed to free himself from his icy prison, that held him captive for 10 years. He frees his old ally, Beast Man, who sends beastly spies to watch King Adam's every move. The spies overhear the new prophecy regarding the child without a name, and report back to Skeletor. Skeletor does not like the idea of a potential new heroic nemesis, so constucts an evil plan to find this child, and teach him the ways of evil, before King Adam can reach him.
Skeletor sets off, with Beast Man, and
Evil Lyn as well as several new evil warriors (detailed below). Beast Man sets his beasts free to track the child, and a savage fight between the childs bearcat mother and Beast Mans beasts ensues. The bearcat mother is killed!
Skeletor approaches the child, and convinces him that the warrior He-Man is responsible for the beasts that attacked, and killed his bearcat mother. The child swears revenge on the one called He-Man.
Evil-Lyn takes the child under her wing, as she trains him in the dark arts.
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Meanwhile, King Adam is still searching far and wide for the child, with his three faithful companions, Cringer, Orko, and an elderly Man-At-Arms (Duncan presumably, not Clamp Champ).
They catch up with Skeletor, and Man-At-Arms gets captured to create a diversion allowing King Adam to secretly transform into He-Man. He-Man defeats Skeletors new cronies, and tracks him and the child through a sereis of traps and into the Mountains of Fire.
Skeletor and He-Man both present the child with a choice to choose which path he wants to take, good or evil. The child eventually chooses good, after Skeletor blasts his pet crow, Craven, out of the way in order to get a shot at He-Man.
As the boy has no name, He-Man names him
DARE after his courageous spirit to stand up to Skeletor.
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Back at the palace, King Adam and Queen Teela, decide to adopt Dare, and he recieves tuition from Duncan, and his neice Kay-La, to try and get him more attuned to the civilized world.
King Adam is still a little concerned about passing the power sword over to this kid, as he is not yet ready to give up his He-Man alter ego.
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Skeletor once again attacks, and King Adam must make a choice between
passing on the Power Sword to Prince Dare, or losing hs Kingdom. He decides to hand the sword over....and Dare becomes
HE-RO SON OF HE-MAN.
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BOLDED points that may link to the MOTUC canon)
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CHARACTERSFirst Up -
EVIL WARRIORSSKELETORSkeletor appears much the same as he always has, albiet with a slightly new, cooler, outfit with spikey shoulder pads:-
Promotional artwork also shows him with a whiter skull face, similar in tone to his 87 Movie version. He has a new magic staff, with a black crystal on top. He is even more bitter than ever since his 10 year exile in the ice caverns, and reclaims his headquarters in Snake Mountain.
PANTHORPanthor is still around, and loyal to his master. In this version he is described with completely black fur, which may be due to his aging.
EVIL-LYNNo mention is made of where Evil-Lyn has been during the 10 years Skeletor was imprisoned in his ice-prison, but she still appears to be the same as ever. Plotting behind Skeletors back, and determined to become the Empress Of Eternia, with or without Skeletor.
Young Dare seems to have a hard time figuring out Evil-Lyn, as she lies more convincingly than telling the truth. Evil-Lyn has a new, more revealing, outfit!
BEAST-MANBeast-Man seems to bethe same as always. The only additional point, is that Evil-Lyn occasionaly tries to turn Beast-Man against Skeletor for her own decietful purposes.
MER-MANSame as always, although seems to have a more slender look to his face and body.
TRAP-JAWSame as always, though seems to have a new Jaw with spikey teeth, and no longer wears a helmet. A few other upgrades to his body too.
ODAR (MOST LIKELY STINKOR)A character is mentioned that is exactly the same as Stinkor. Based on the fact that Stinkor's real name is Odiphus, it doesn't take that big of a leap to suggest Odar is just a shortened version of Odiphus. Therefore, most likely same character!
TUNG LASHORPresumambly the ex-SnakeMan warrior, now joined forces with Skeletor. The only promotional image of him, doesn't appear to resemble the vintage Tung-Lashor too much, but when compared side by side with the 200X Tung-Lashor, they could easily be the same character, they even have the same blotches, fangs, and similar shaped hunched over head.
NEW EVIL WARRIORSSkeletor has 5 New Evil Warriors to help in his quest for world domination-
MISSILE-TOEAppears to be a robot-tank like character, fully armed with deadly weapons, bombs and missiles. He is described as being very accident prone, and occasionally blows him self up by tripping over his own feet.
EVER-MEANHalf-Man, Half-Plant and very paranoid. Seems to have a need for sunlight, to photosynthesise his food. Has deadly vines that he uses to capture his foes. Very similar to Evil-Seed, but clearly a different character altogether.
BUG-EYEHe is described as a pest, who can control insects and creepy-crawlies the same way Beast-Man controls beasts.
SLOB-BOARAppears to have a short temper. Is part man, part pig, and has a set of sharp slashing tusks.
SAW-TOOTHThe only new villain with no promotional image as far as I am aware. He is described as having a mouth full of sharp teeth serrated like a saw blade. Appaently he always eats, and will eat anything, including gems, gold and magic items.
EVIL VEHICLESThe Evil Warriors have some new vehicles, that are mechanical beasts with robot brains and simple personalities. They have artificial intelligence, and can talk to their pilots.
KARNA-REKThis is Skeletor's personal all-terrain vehicle, shaped like a monster-truck, with giant jaws of steel, and flame throwing eyes. (No image exists)
AQUA-REKA shark-like vehicle that can cruise through the ocean, and also travel on land. Appears to be described as a portable Headquarters of sorts.
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HEROIC WARRIORSKING ADAM / HE-MANAdam is now king, older and wiser and married to Queen Teela, and they have an adopted son, Prince Dare, who now wields the power sword. Adam occasionally misses the ability to turn into He-Man after passing the torch, but is still able too, once in a while, when Dare gets himself into trouble and can't use the power sword.
Adam's relationship with his new adopted son, is sometimes fatherly, and sometimes brotherly. He vows to help Dare find out about the mystery surrounding his real parents.
QUEEN TEELA27 year old Teela is still very much independent, even as Queen, and she rules Eternia as a tough and demanding leader, much like she ruled the Royal Guard in the past. She is fully able to make decsions regarding the ruling of Eternia when King Adam is not available, but she also watches out for her adopted son, Dare, and gives him love and advice when he needs it.
(No image exists of Queen Teela)
MAN-AT-ARMS /DUNCANOlder, Grizzled and "semi-retred", Duncan now serves King Adam, as he once served King Randor,now under the title of Chief Tactical Advisor to the King. He is one of the few who is fully aware of Dare's dual identity as He-Ro.
He misses the "good old days" but realises he's not the tireless adventurer he once was. He still builds many new weapons, with the help of Dare, who he tries to teach the way of royalty and honor.
THE SORCERESSSpiritual voice and oracle to He-Ro who radiates the power of good. He-Ro is the vessel in which her energy now flows.
ORKOExactly the same as he once was. Has found a new friend in Dare, and the two of them occasionally get up to mischief and misadventure. He still has his girlfriend, Dree-Elle, and a possibly new uncle, named Dorko.
CRINGER / BATTLE CATAlthough Cringer is older, he has not aged, and still retains his youthful personality. Adam has entrusted Cringer to keep an eye on Dare, and make sure he stays out of trouble.
Cringer has a new rival, in the form of Dare's loudmouth pet bird, Craven. The two of them rarely see eye-to-eye.
Cringer is still able to turn into Battle-Cat, and now helps He-Ro as he once did He-Man, into battle against the Evil Warriors. Interestingly, Battle Cat now appears to look more Battle-Lion-like, and even has blue fur. It is unclear if Cringer still retains his original green and orange stripes.
RAM-MANRam-Man appears the same as he always did, but now with new armor! He sports a new cool black and blue color scheme...
MAN-E-FACESMan-e-faces is still able to use his mimic abilities to spy on the oposition, and get into the enemy territory unnoticed. He seems to have been given a radical makeover, possibly more "mime" like, and not at all like our original Man-e-faces that we know and love.
(*see the section at the end for a possible suggestion if people don't like his new look*)
NEW HEROIC WARRIORSPRINCE DARE / HE-ROAs Dare, he is a 13 year old kid,and still thinks of himself as an orphan who has no idea who his real parents were. His adopted father King Adam promises to help him track them down, and there are suspicions that
Dare and Adam are possibly related by blood. Dare has some difficulties adjusting to civilized life, especially living with royalty, but still retains the ability to
communicate with animals, and have all the skills of a wildchild raised in the forests.
As he has inherited the power swordfrom his adoptive father, Prince Dare is able to transform into the mighty
He-Ro, in which he becomes a mighty warrior. His strength and powers increase, as well as his feral skills, setting him apart from He-Man before him.
CRAVEN / BATTLE-BIRDAn incompetent crow, who has learned the ability to talk from Dare, and has been his companion ever since they were small. Very enthusiastic to battle evil, but not very skillfull in the art of fighting.
When Dare first become He-Ro, Craven was perched on his shoulder, thus also transforming him into the mighty Battle-Bird - a huge armored fighting creature, large enough for Dare to ride on! Battle-Bird and Battle-Cat have a competitive rivalry to see who can win dare's praise, and who can be the bravest and best in battle.
KAY-LA17 year old Kay-La is Man-At-Arm's niece (
and presumably Fisto's daughter?), and is instructed with teaching Prince Dare how to compose himself in public. She feels she is ready to be a warrior, as she has been trained in martial arts, swordplay and marksmanship, and feels bitter about having to "babysit" Dare. She is aware that Dare has a crush on her, but her true affections lie with the mighty warrior He-Ro.
Although she is well trained, her immaturity and eagerness to jump into action often gets her in trouble.
AIR-BAGThis Heroic Warrior can puff up like a weather balloon in the heat of battle, and emit a blast of hurricane-force hot-air, to knock down any Evil Warriors in his way. He can also put out fires, but can be deflated with sharp needles!
FORK-LIFTFork-Lift is gung-ho and enthusiastic and able to pick up heavy objects with his fork-like arms, and throw them over his head. He-Man and He-Ro rely on him for moving any heavy duty objects when they are not around.
HEROIC VEHICLESFLIP-TEKEternian science has developed mechanical beasts to help the Heroic warriors. They have Artificial intelligence, and can speak to their pilots. The Flipp-Tek is a large vehicle that can change between a submarine, a hydroplane and a land-based armored personnel carrier.
TERRA-TEKThis armored all-terrain vehicle looks like a Stegasaurus and has 6 seats, 6 wheels, and can go from zero to sixty in 6 seconds!
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So in all we got a handful of new figure possibilities here for Masters Of The Universe Classics-
HEROIC WARRIORSVariants-KING ADAM
QUEEN TEELA
(no visual representation)OLD MAN-AT-ARMS
BLUE BATTLE-CAT
BLACK ARMORED RAM-MAN
VARIANT MAN-E-FACES (*though see below for suggestion)
New figuresDARE (use teenage buck) wth CRAVEN
HE-RO (SON OF HE-MAN)
KAY-LA
AIR-BAG (v. similar to a concept character from power and honor catalogue)
FORKLIFT
EVIL WARRIORSVariantsOLD SKELETOR
BLACK PANTHOR
FUTURE EVIL-LYN
NEW TRAP-JAW(?)
New figuresMISSILE-TOE
EVER-MEAN
BUG-EYE
SLOB-BOAR
SAW-TOOTH
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BONUSSo I mentioned earlier that the only character that looks out of place is the new version of Man-E-Faces. All the other upgrades of old characters still retain many of their original aspects, and look like simple variants...but Man-E-Faces looks completely different...
Infact, with that strange suit, mask, arm-braclets with a clock on, and a clock symbol on his chest, let's be honest, he looks more like...
Sujet: Re: MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE CLASSIC (MOTUC) 
